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The Real Work

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The New Yorker‘s ⁠Adam Gopnik⁠ chats with Trey Elling about ⁠THE REAL WORK: ON THE MYSTERY OF MASTERY⁠. Topics include:

  • The book’s goal (0:38)
  • The importance of learning new skills (3:26)
  • Defining ‘mastery’ (6:12)
  • The mystery of performance (8:19)
  • Jamy Ian Swiss and the real work (13:15)
  • “The method is not the trick” (16:33)
  • Learning about mastery from David Blaine (19:11)
  • The mystery of identity and intention (23:53)
  • The challenge of Adam learning to drive a car in his 50s (29:07)
  • How learning to drive in NYC changed his perception of the city (32:38)
  • Courtesy waves (34:54)
  • The mystery of interiority (36:24)
  • The mystery of meaning (40:17)
  • The mystery of late style (46:22)
  • Overcoming a shy bladder (49:32)
  • Whether learning how to draw altered Adam’s perception as an art critic (55:13)