Historian and bestselling author Rutger Bregman chats with Trey Elling about HUMANKIND: A HOPEFUL HISTORY. Over the past few decades, many scientists have become much more optimistic on human nature. Did you know that a real life version of the fictional book Lord of the Flies happened in the 1960s with drastically different results? Or that the Stanford Prison Experiment was not the pure process its head scientists led us to believe? Or that a Norwegian prison which allows it inhabitants a shocking amount of trust and freedom creates law-abiding citizens? Trey and Rutger discuss these things and much more.